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Post by sno on Jun 24, 2020 0:30:37 GMT
I disagree with the mayor on this. Or at least I'll say that there's no evidence that what we've done has had much effect on the virus at all, simply because several well known bodies are disputing the effectiveness of the lockdown. To wit, "Professors Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson, from the University of Oxford, said there is little evidence to support the restriction and called for an end to the "formalised rules"." Further, nujmerous studies suggest that when all is said and done, those countries with strict lockdowns didn't fare much better than countries without. On top of that, the virus simply isn't as bad as medical experts at first thought it was. What we do know for sure, and can measure, is the economic carnage we've created with these often ridiculous rules.
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Post by sno on Jun 24, 2020 0:31:33 GMT
Agree or disagree?
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Post by michaelhardner on Jun 24, 2020 18:12:28 GMT
It's probably too early to tell but doesn't it stand to reason that less contact with people means less spread ? Also ... what is with the thread title ?
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Post by sno on Jun 25, 2020 14:28:25 GMT
This is what he posted on FB. Did you know he was a city councilor somewhere in BC? Anyways, this is what he posted on his politician page. This is his political stance on covid one nine
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Post by michaelhardner on Jun 25, 2020 21:05:50 GMT
This is what he posted on FB. Did you know he was a city councilor somewhere in BC? Anyways, this is what he posted on his politician page. This is his political stance on covid one nine Scott SA was a smart guy but a lot of smart people just hate anything that liberals come up with. I actually LOVE conservatives, at least the smart ones, because they bring reality into a lot of unbounded conversations that rely on limitless budgets, or people forgetting about personal security, competitiveness and so on. To be honest, I was brought up as the ultimate Christian and inclusive diversity person in that I include conservatives. Some of my friends not so much. But - yeah - numbers don't lie. Look at our graph vs. Texas' ...
You HAVE to stop the spread first...
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Post by avs on Jun 26, 2020 5:20:28 GMT
The issue has often been the ability of the hospitals to handle it all. While I mostly agree peoples safety should be largely up to them as to how much risk they are willing to accept, there is always the 'greater good' which is a sound proven concept and I think naturally part of human survival instinct. With all things, it's a balancing act, measuring the good against the bad of any particular policy decision. Mistakes will be made, have been made, and will continue to be made. We learn and move on, better prepared for the next time. Till it fades from memory of course. As I said long ago when someone asked why we continue to make the same mistakes. It's because people don't live 200 years....or more. Which really pisses me off. About the time you get it figured out, or much of it, you're time is over. To quote DJT...'So unfair'. lol
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Post by avs on Jun 26, 2020 7:41:48 GMT
Harner sez: But - yeah - numbers don't lie. Look at our graph vs. Texas' ...
First of all who is the 'our' in your example ? Canada would be a better comparison that Ontario because they are more equal in population to Texas.
Canada 37 million, Texas 29 million.
As of today;
Canada: 104,463 cases with 8567 deaths. Texas 131,919 cases with 2296 deaths.
Accounting for the population difference: Texas would be, had it the population of Canada: 131,919 x 1.21 = 157,000 cases and 2778 deaths.
Using Ontario -vs- Texas:
Ontario as of today: Population: 14,446,515 36,046 cases 2703 deaths.
Ontario has 1/2 the population of Texas with twice the number of deaths and that's some sort of example ? You're bragging about that ?
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Post by avs on Jun 26, 2020 22:40:17 GMT
Not to mention we don't really even know what the real death toll is. Since the US Government gives US hospitals ~57k for each hospitalized covid-19 case it's tough to know. George Floyd was counted as a Covid-19 death. Anyone who died in the US with Covid-19 at the time of their death is counted as a covid-19 death. I don't know how it's done anywhere else. No matter, life goes on. This isn't the black plague.
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Post by sno on Jun 29, 2020 13:59:21 GMT
Harner sez: But - yeah - numbers don't lie. Look at our graph vs. Texas' ... First of all who is the 'our' in your example ? Canada would be a better comparison that Ontario because they are more equal in population to Texas. Canada 37 million, Texas 29 million. As of today; Canada: 104,463 cases with 8567 deaths. Texas 131,919 cases with 2296 deaths. Accounting for the population difference: Texas would be, had it the population of Canada: 131,919 x 1.21 = 157,000 cases and 2778 deaths. Using Ontario -vs- Texas: Ontario as of today: Population: 14,446,515 36,046 cases 2703 deaths. Ontario has 1/2 the population of Texas with twice the number of deaths and that's some sort of example ? You're bragging about that ? I think the difference here is, Ontario and Canada have just about got the spread under control. Texas looks to just be getting started
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Post by michaelhardner on Jul 1, 2020 11:17:52 GMT
Harner sez: But - yeah - numbers don't lie. Look at our graph vs. Texas' ... First of all who is the 'our' in your example ? Canada would be a better comparison that Ontario because they are more equal in population to Texas. Canada 37 million, Texas 29 million. As of today; Canada: 104,463 cases with 8567 deaths. Texas 131,919 cases with 2296 deaths. Accounting for the population difference: Texas would be, had it the population of Canada: 131,919 x 1.21 = 157,000 cases and 2778 deaths. Using Ontario -vs- Texas: Ontario as of today: Population: 14,446,515 36,046 cases 2703 deaths. Ontario has 1/2 the population of Texas with twice the number of deaths and that's some sort of example ? You're bragging about that ? I was 'bragging' about the shape of the curve, not the size.
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